I AM VERY OPEN AND LOOK AROUND ME AND LISTEN TO THE MEDIA, THE JEWISH AND NON JEWISH WORLD, THE PROBLEMS IN TO DAY'S WORLD IS THAT THEY LIVE WITH THEIR FEELINGS AND NOT WITH THEIR BRAINS.
PEOPLE IN LIFE AND ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AND ADULTS HAVE TO PUT THERE WANTS AND DESIRES ASIDE AND LIVE WITH WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND BE A LESSON IN LIFE TO THEM AS ADULTS.
AS IN FOOD WE HAVE TO EAT WHAT IS HEALTHY FOR OUR BODIES TO SURVIVE, WE CAN NOT GIVE OUR CHILDREN ONLY FOOD THAT THEY DESIRE, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM NOT TO EAT TO MUCH SUGAR IT WILL MAKE YOU FAT AND ILL, THE SAME GOES FOR OUR FEELINGS, IT IS ALL IN OUR MIND'S, FOR TOYS AND ENJOYMENTS.
THE SAME RESTRICTIONS APPLY FOR ADULTS, BUT TO OUR SORROW, THE PARENTS NEVER LEARNT RESTRAINT IN LIFE AND DID NOT TEACH THIS TO THE CHILDREN AND THE PROBLEM THE PARENTS AND THE CHILDREN HAVE WILL GO ON AND ON.
THE BASIC LAWS OF THE TORAH IS TO HAVE RESTRAINT MEAT AND MILK , SHABBOS ETC ETC. WE ALL NEED TO DO AND HAVE EVERYTHING AS OUR FEELINGS TELL US, AND WE END WITH PROBLEMS.
THE REASON BEING WE LIVE WITH OUR FEELINGS AND WHAT WE WANT AND NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS TORAH JEW.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/ne...
Joshua has two other siblings. They are Daniel, 34, and 32-year-old Rachel Carmelli, whose husband’s family also own a well-known bakery in London.
http://carmelli.co.uk/
On Friday night a son killed his mother and sister. They were Jewish but not frum. They have a huge bakery and restaurant open shabbos and selling traifo meat although not pork.
As mentioned their son in law's family have a bakery called carmelli under the top chariedi kedassia supervision and in the Jewish heartland of Golders Green.
HOW CAN A SUPERVISING AGENCY GIVE THEM A HECHSHER. How can they be sure that no products from the family's traifo business end up there.
I think this is unheard of. That a family can operate two bakeries and restaurants one being top chariedi kosher and the other open shabbos and downright traifo.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4228614/golders-green-stabbing-knife-attack-double-murder-joshua-cohen-latest/
I WILL ANSWER YOU BUT FIRST OF ALL USE YOUR OWN NAME AND DO NOT BE A COWARD TO STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE
A SUPERVISING AGENCY GIVES A HECHSHER THAT THIS PERSON KEEPS THE RULES OF KOSHER IN THAT SHOP ETC,ETC. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY BEING FRUM JEWS,
I THINK PERSONALLY YOU HAVE A POINT BUT I CAN SEE WHAT KEDASSIA WOULD ANSWER.
AND THE FRUM PERSON OF THE FAMILY WOULD SAY TO KEDASSIA JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY NOT FRUM YOU WILL NOT GIVE ME A KEDASSIA HECHSHER
I dont know even if he is frum person and I would be very surprised if he is.I dont know him but maybe you do. His wife certainly wasnt brought up frum as she comes from a rich non frum home.
We are not talking just about people not frum. We are talking about them having also a bakery. What is to stop their products entering the kedassia shop. One cant have a mashgiach for this. Maybe this son in law thinks they are kosher enough even if he is frum (which I have already written I doubt very much).
Again we are not talking just about a non frum family. We are talking about them having the same shop and very likely the son in law and daughter considers some articles there kosher and will bring them into his shop without the kedassia mashgiach noticing.
I KNOW KEDASSIA VERY WELL AND THE SUSPICIONS YOU HAVE THEY HAVE AS WELL
AND THEY DO NOT TRUST THEM
THEY HAVE A FEW MASHGIACHAIM THERE DAY AND NIGHT
WHY DO YOU NOT CONTACT KEDASSIA GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEY WILL ANSWER YOU
They will always be cleverer than the mashgichim. You still havent told us if he is frum. If he isnt one certainly cannot trust him however many mashgichim you have. It seems you dont understand. The family have a proper traifo bakery and restaurant selling traifo meat although not pork and open on shabbos. That two members of the family were dead killed by their brother didnt stop them carrying on being open on shabbos. This alone is a disgrace. But not our problem.
Dovid Frand will never answer anyone. You are not forced to eat his hechsher so why should he. Maybe though he will answer you.
You have golders green reading this blog what do they have to say. This feldman, come on, tell us how you can trust them.
There are enough kosher bakeries, we are not short, why must they be given a hechsher.
YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS WHICH I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO
I BUY FOOD THAT IS UNDER KEDASSIA
I DO NOT KNOW OR CARE TO KNOW THE PEOPLE, I AM NOT INTERESTED WHO OR WHAT THEY ARE IF THEY HAVE A KEDASSIA HECHSHER THAT IS GOOD FOR ME
IF IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU DO NOT BUY IT
YOU SAY
Dovid Frand will never answer anyone. You are not forced to eat his hechsher so why should he. Maybe though he will answer you.
THIS IS NOT TRUE HE ANSWERS EVERYONE
BUT YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THE MAN TO BE NON STOP OCCUPIED WITH KEDASSIA HE HAS HIS OWN LIFE TOO
YOU CAN EITHER MAKE YOUR OWN HACHESHER OR ONLY EAT FROM KEDASSIA WHAT YOU WANT
I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO THAT MY TWIN BROTHER WILL NOT EAT FROM HARMOLIS
No you are wrong. Kashrut is not a private thing where you can have trade secrets. It has to be seen to be kosher as well. If he his president then he has to be fully occupied with it. It is more important than his seforim. Otherwise he shouldnt be president.
This is not a case like hermolis where they are frum yidden and you have something personal against them.
These dont seem to be frum yidden at all and they also have a treifa bakery and restaurant open on shabbos.
Kedassia has to provide an answer. Maybe if I ask the London bais din who also provide a hechsher I am more likely to get an answer.
I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK THE LONDON DETH DIN WHO HAVE BUTCHERS WHO DO NOT KEEP SHABBOS ETC,ETC.
AS FAR AS I CAN SEE THIS MAN IS A FRUM MAN JUST BECAUSE HE HAS RELATIVES WHO ARE NOT FRUM,
TO DAY EVERYBODY HAS RELATIVES WHO ARE NOT FRUM THE SHOP THE KEDASSIA GIVE A HECHSHER ON IS PERFECTLY O.K.
RABBI FRAND WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNION BY THE MEMBERS AND THAT IS IT, ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE UNION ? IT IS NOT A PAID JOB
AGAIN THIS OUTLET IS PERFECTLY KOSHER AND RUN BY A FRUM MAN TO BAD THAT HE HAS FAMILY WHO ARE NOT FRUM
THAT IS NOT OUR CONCERN
Discussing kashrut is one thing but this poor family has suffered a tragedy. The last thing we need to read is rubbish saying that it happened because people didn't keep shabbat. It happened due to mental illness and the man having paranoid schizophrenia.
MALKA BATSHEVA
THE TORAH SAYS IF DO NOT KEEP SHABBAT YOU WILL DIE
I KNOW IT HAPPENED DUE TO MENTAL ILLNESS
BUT WE HAVE TO SAY AS A RELIGIOUS JEW THAT THE MENTAL ILLNESS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE PERSON DID NOT KEEP SHABBAT
AS A RELIGIOUS JEW WHO HAS EMUNA WE HAVE TO NO THAT EVERYTHING COMES FROM G-D
I CAN NOT KEEP THE RELIGION AND SAY IF YOU DO NOT KEEP THE TORAH IT DOES NOT MATTER
Malka Batsheva is exactly right. The person who calls himself Kedassia clearly suffers from mental illness, holding such evil views. He makes me embarrassed to share the same religion as him. I wonder what he gets up to when his fellow frummers and his wife are not looking. He should worry about what comes out of his mouth more than what goes in
WHAT EXACTLY THE ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT THAT HE KILLED HIS MOTHER AND SISTER WE WILL FIND OUT IN WEEKS TO COME.
ALL ANGER COMES FROM NOT BELIEVING THAT YOUR SITUATION IN LIFE IS FROM G-D ONE THING IS SURE IF YOU BEHAVE LIKE A GOY YOU BECOME A GOY.
EATING TREIF AND NO SHABBOS ETC,ETC.
Any person can have mental illness, someone frum or not frum or non Jewish. Most non Jews are not murderers like most Jews are not murderers. Even if a person keeps shabbat but violates another law then they will still pay. We are all going to die in the end but i I don't think other people can state the reasons why others die.
This guy probably had some type of medication but many people with this illness don't take it. Also, he was smoking dope which increases paranoia. Most people with this level of mental illness are incapable of following any rules of religion. They are exempt. Also, he probably didn't receive enough help from the council who are supposed to monitor and provide care in the community. Sad all round.
I never wrote that they were killed for not keeping shabbos or eating traifo. So why put words into my mouth.
Perhaps chaim feldman can quote
my exact words with which he disagrees with and doesnt want to
share the same religion with me. This is worse than loshon hora attributing things to me that I never said.
ALWAYS OTHER PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME FOR HIS BEHAVIOR
IF ANY ONE IS TO BLAME IT IS THE EDUCATION SYSTEM TO DAY AND HIS PARENTS
What difference if his family are frum, brought up frum, wife is frum, etc. Mr Kedassia, perhaps you could learn a little about being a proper mensch, have a little sympathy for the family who I pray never get to read your shameful comments and judgements
CHAIM FELDMAN
DOES NOT NEED TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WROTE
WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT YOU WROTE
Mr Kedassia, you wrote,
"That two members of the family were dead killed by their brother didnt stop them carrying on being open on shabbos. This alone is a disgrace. But not our problem."
Maybe, I misunderstood but this is what I thought you were saying.
I don't think his parents are to blame as schizophrenia is thought to be caused by genetic and environmental factors. No-one is to blame as he was born with this faulty gene and the schizophrenia was triggered at some point in his life. An normal educational establishment may have not had the right expertise to deal with his issues, so he may have not had the right help at the right time. His parents may have not known how to deal with all his issues either as they are not professional psychiatrists or pyschologists.
It's debatable if a person is able to learn to control and manage bad behaviour. With the right treatment, medication and behaviour therapy it might be possible. But, when the brain malfunctions, there's not a lot that can be done unless he was sectioned under the mental health act. Unfortunately, he was left to commit this crime against his family.
I really hope they don't read anything, I doubt they will.
Normally if there is death in the family one closes ones shop down as a matter of respect. I think you know this. Even goyim show this kind of respect. But of course Feldman and Lock wouldnt (since he got no yerusha). They are worse than goyim.
If the family can keep their shop open while two of them have been brutally killed they deserve no sympathy.
Kedassia, heartless scum like you deserve no further comment
Yes, it would be strange to keep open the shops straight after.
CHAIM FELDMAN YOU ARE NOT ONLY AN AM HORETZ BUT A GREAT ONE YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING OF JEWISH LAW
I WOULD ADVICE YOU AND MY FRIEND MALKA BATSHEVA TO GO TO SOME CLASS AND LEARN JEWISH LAW ABOUT RELATIVES FOR WHOM MOURNING MUST BE OBSERVED IT IS NOT AN EMOTIONAL FEELING BUT THEN YOU LOT KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF THE JEWISH RELIGION.
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