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Tuesday 1 July 2014

RELIGIOUS JEWS

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Anonymous1 July 2014 17:22

Satmar are considered to be outcasts by most Jews, including most religious Jews. They are so extreme that they protest with Arab terrorists against the State of Israel. Their 'rabbi' even held a vigil outside of Yasser Arafat’s hospital as he was dying.
HOW MANY TIMES ANONYMOUS AM I GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND BEING JEWISH AND YIDDISHKEIT ! ! ! ! SATMAR ARE NOT CONSIDERED OUTCAST BY RELIGIOUS JEWS ! ! ! BECAUSE SATMAR IN YOUR EYES ARE EXTREME AGAINST THE STATE OF ISRAEL, AS THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE STATE ARE EXTREME AGAINST THE RELIGIOUS. THERE IS STILL A GREY AREA WERE SATMAR DOES NOT WANT THE ARABS TO WIPE OUT THE STATE. BUT THE NOT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO RUN THE STATE OF ISRAEL WANT TO WIPE OUT THE RELIGIOUS . AGAIN I TELL YOU LEARN MORE TORAH EDUCATION, EDUCATION. I HOPE I AM NOT WAISTING MY TIME WITH YOU ? ?

84 comments:

Anonymous said...: Well he at least understands it better than you.; 1 July 2014 at 20:40
מדבר שקר תרחק said...: Rabbi Lock, stop avoiding the question.
where do you have smicha from?; 1 July 2014 at 23:14
Anonymous said...: He doesnt need smicha from anyone. Everyone else is WAISTING their time. He ought to call himself chief rabbi or the hebrew equivalents raavad gaavad but our Gaby is a very humble person a really great onov. He has often written how he has taught all the London dayanim and of course the ger rebbe and countless other great rabbis. If they who all had smicha needed Gaby to have to teach them dont you think his smicha is automatic. He does his best on here to teach us all what he taught all these great rabbis who all appreciated him and his halachic expertise and you dare to ask where his smicha is from. He was born with it. A god given gift which no one else ever had or deserved.; 1 July 2014 at 23:41
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: VERY VERY TRUE THANK YOU FOR STARTING TO UNDERSTAND ME; 2 July 2014 at 07:36
Anonymous said...: Mr Lock, when will you be going on your next cruise?; 2 July 2014 at 12:51
Anonymous said...: He wont reply unless you give him his correct title RABBI LOCK. I doubt the tv will need him again.; 2 July 2014 at 13:42
Anonymous said...: Satmar is a theological cult of Judaism that teaches the doctrine of exclusivity (i.e. that they are the only true Jews and that others, particularly Zionists, are the spawn of Satan).

They are the Jewish equivalent the Nation of Islam - really self,-hating and sick Jews.; 2 July 2014 at 15:31
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: EDUCATION ,EDUCATION, EDUCATION.; 2 July 2014 at 15:39
Anonymous said...: Many Satmar Chassidim take welfare from the State of Israel and this is a fact of life that many pay for - not those who are in receipt of hand-outs!! The Satmar are disgraceful, Jew-hating sectarians and are only above Neturi Karta.

You dislike "the Zionist state" as mentioned in a variety of media forums because it isn't "Jewish enough" yet you and your people did NOTHING to build a state! Mr Lock, many in Satmar love to daven at the Me'eras Hamachpelh in Chevron and at the Kosel in Jerusalem! Both built by Herod, if he was even Jewish he certainly was not religious! So you can venerate what Herod built but stick your finger at what others do?! **** your self righteous indignation. Stay in golus where your ghetto mindset belongs!; 2 July 2014 at 15:55
Snag said...: Satmar are the meraglim of our times.

טובה המדינא מעוד מעוד; 2 July 2014 at 16:02
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: BECAUSE SATMAR IN YOUR EYES ARE EXTREME AGAINST THE STATE OF ISRAEL, AS THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE STATE ARE EXTREME AGAINST THE RELIGIOUS. ! ! !
THEY WANT TO BURN AND TEAR OUT OUR KEEPING OF THE TORAH'
IS THIS NOT TRUE ? ?
THE BURNING OF THE FLAG IS BURNING THE SYMBOL THAT REPRESENTS TO- DAYS GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL WHICH WANTS TO TEAR OUT TORAH LEARNING IN ISRAEL
AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO SHOW THIS TO THE WORLD
NO TORAH WE DO NOT NEED ISRAEL ! ! !
EDUCATION ,EDUCATION ,EDUCATION. IN WHAT IS A JEW; 2 July 2014 at 17:39
Snag said...: "IS THIS NOT TRUE ? ?"

No, it's not true, so the rest of your "arguments" are meaningless.; 2 July 2014 at 19:09
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: IT IS TRUE.
I WENT TO ISRAEL FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 1962.
THE NOT RELIGIOUS HATED AND MADE FUN OF THE FRUM PEOPLE.
THEY SAID: " IN A FEW YEARS THERE WILL NOT BE ANY FRUM PEOPLE LEFT ! ".
I SAW CHILDREN FROM GOOD FAMILIES IN MEA SHAARIM DROPP[ING THEIR YIDDISHKEIT.
I DO NOT HOW THINGS CHANGED BUT THE BALEI TESHUVA MOVEMENT STARTED
AND TO-DAY IT IS THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
THE NONE RELIGIOUS HATE THE RELIGIOUS AND WANT TO STOP THEM LEARNING TORAH.
MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN LIVE IN ISRAEL THANK G=D.
BUT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO STAY THERE ANY MORE BECAUSE OF THE HATRED OF THE NONE RELIGIOUS.; 2 July 2014 at 20:00
Snag said...: Liar; 2 July 2014 at 20:22
Anonymous said...: They are not able to stay because the terrible Israeli government have stopped paying them. So now you will bring them home and get the british government to pay for them. It has nothing to do with hatred of religion. You want a free lunch and dont get it anymore. So keep religion out of it.; 2 July 2014 at 20:48
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT NEVER PAID FOR THEM AS HIS WIFE HIM AND HIS CHILDREN ARE ENGLISH.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT HIS SON TO GO IN TO THE ARMY.
THEY WANT ALL THE FRUM JEWS WHO CAN TO LEAVE ISRAEL.
AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS LEAVING.
COME TO LONDON, MANCHESTER I WILL SHOW THEM TO YOU
THE ISRAEL GOVERNMENT IS NOT ONLY GOING HAVE WAR WITH THE ARABS
BUT WITH THE FRUM JEWS
AS THE GOVERNMENT WANTS A COUNTRY WITH OUT TORAH
THEY HAVE TO LEARN THAT
ERETZ ISRAEL WITH OUT TORAH DOES NOT GO .; 2 July 2014 at 21:20
Snag said...: Yeah sure, the Israeli govt insists on drafting non-Israelis.

Pull the other one.; 3 July 2014 at 00:04
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: YOU SEEM TO KNOW VERY LITTLE OF THE HATRED OF NONE RELIGIOUS TO THE RELIGIOUS
DO YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN LIVE IN ISRAEL ? ? ?; 3 July 2014 at 06:36
Snag said...: Of course I know very little of something that doesn't exist.; 3 July 2014 at 09:38
Sholem said...: You seem to be excusing in essence the burning of Israel's flag as a response to Satmar's perception of anti-religious bias in Israel? You arguments are so baseless, repulsive and your ignorance is so incredible.

Yimach shemam vezichram, vshem reshaim yirkov to those that burned the flag - they have time to dance, hoolye and burn Israeli flags. They're not concerned about their next paycheck obviously, because tomorrow they don't have to go to work.

Benefits takes care of that.It's about £££, Zionist obsession,£££, Zionist obsession, £££, Zionist obsession. Oh, did I mention Zionist obsession?

In Torah Judaism there is no room for hatred. Do you and these people forget that Jews were burned in Auschwitz? This kind of malice.

When discussing Satmar it should be remembered that during WW2 their Rov Yoel Teitelbaum was one of those saved from extermination by virtue of him & his family being aboard the Kastner Train from Axis power Hungary to safety in Switzerland .

There were 126 Orthodox Jews, among them 40 rabbis, on board the train, their passage agreed with the Germans & paid for with Jewish Community funds used as bribes, was an indictment of the immorality of the Aguda/anti-Zionist leadership that sort to save itself at the cost of abandoning ordinary Jews in Hungary to their fate, that is extermination in the camps.

The Satamar are thus not just Anti-Israel fanatics but they have a history of collaborating with the enemies of the Jewish people, during WW2 it was with the Germans & nowadays it is with the Islamo-Fascist Iranians.

They are cowards who are looking to suck up to the enemies of the Jews and the Israelis, regardless they are like any enemy of the Jews and Israelis.

Your stupid comments on Israel and the 'anti-Zionist' (and thus anti-G-d!) Hungarian Satmar clowns and their rival fanatic sect Neturei Karta boasted in Hungary during WW2 that the German Nazis, who were massacring millions of other Jews throughout Europe, would not harm them because they were the 'real Jews' and thus protected by G-d from any harm. They were still preaching that arrogant, stupid nonsense when the Germans finally entered Hungary en masse in 1944.

Then, during the last year of the war, some 200,000 of Hungary's 650,000 Jews were hastily sent off to the Treblinka-Auschwitz gas chambers, other concentration camps and on death marches, including many Satmar and Neturei Karta members. I believe one of their rabbonim was saved by "Jewish" leader Rudolph Kastner in a deal with Eichmann whereby some 1000 Jews, including members of Kastner's family and a rabbi or two, would be put on a train to Switzerland as Russian troops closed in on Hungary and the 3rd Reich.; 3 July 2014 at 09:59
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAY ARE TRUE AND THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK HAVE BEEN BOTHERING ME A LONG TIME.
READ THE BOOK BY RABBI MICHOEL BER WEISSMANDEL.
THAT HUNGARIAN JEWS FRUM AND NOT FRUM DID NOT LISTEN TO HIM.
BUT THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT THERE IS A BIG HATRED IN ISRAEL BETWEEN THE FRUM AND NOT FRUM
AND THAT THE NOT FRUM TO DAY WANT TO TEAR OUT THE TORAH. AND TORAH LEARNING IN ERETZ YISROEL
THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF TORAH TO THE JEWISH NATION IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT OUR PAINS; 3 July 2014 at 10:34
Chaim said...: Would they burn the German flag?
Would they burn the Austrian flag?
Would they burn the Polish flag?

Burning the Israeli flag by those who dislike actions by the Israeli government does not help their cause.

If you are in the forefront, you should correct their actions and rebuke behaviour like that. If they want to make a statement against the Israeli government, they should burn pictures of Muslim Nazis and Jewish kapos/collaborators ...as well as Muslim Nazi flags.

I don’t agree with what Israel is doing like with trying to tear yeshiva students out of yeshiva and put them in the army and other items that negatively affect Jewish religious life there.
The burning of a flag is symbolizing hate for the country as a whole, not just its government.; 3 July 2014 at 10:51
Sholem said...: I agree with you on the anti-Torah positions by Israel's current gov't.

In Israel Torah Judaism and traditional moral values ought to be taught in all Israeli schools by religious teachers. This should be in addition to the usual required subjects - history, math, science, computers etc.

If you're a Jew, you are suppose to follow the Torah, to the best of your ability.

You have to make a choice. Are you going to follow the Torah, or follow the Israeli government? It does not seem very likely, in the near future, that you will be able to get away with following both.

What we Jews must finally get our heads around is that the Western/assimilationist/exile values and sensibilities we grew with (whether in Stamford Hill or Borough Park) are not interchangeable with Jewish values and sensibilities.

1,700 years in Golus can be pretty powerful in convincing us that the opposite is true. But, we must snap out of it!

You see, Zionism doesn't really exist, at least not how it was hijacked by the Ben-Gurions and the Pereses. Nope. You see "Zionism' is simple a part of the Torah.

Without Torah, there is no justification whatsoever for "Zionism."

The State more or less sees this as treason or sedition, and makes decisions daily on when to push this envelop, in order to paint the "settlers" or Chareidim in a negative, "un-Democratic," "stubborn," self-righteous, and racist manner. The secular State is desperately trying to battle the Torah world by manipulating and distorting it from within, not to mention maintaining a hold on the State rabbinate, by continuing to pay their salaries, so that they can maintain control over the masses, with and with kappells on their heads.

But, I suppose, we had better back up, and start with some more basic concepts, because I really don't think that you (Jews who believe that your home is in the U. K.) are ready for such a concept.

Many personally feel NO loyalty whatsoever to the state of Israel. They are there because it is ERETZ Yisrael and want to live as Jews in a Jewish state. They don't care whether it is called Israel, Judea, or even kwanzaa as long as it is ours and are FREE (to live as Torah Jews).

If Israel doesn't want them, let them withdraw unilaterally but ALLOW the ''settlers''/Chareidim to take control of the land, and don't interfere with our right to defend themselves. let them even declare the land Hefker, build their wall and allow them to sort out our own problems with the Arabs.

The Arabs are afraid of us but the Erev Rav of the Israeli government fears us the most. They KNOW what would happen if we were given a free hand, there would be another 1.5 million Arab refugees and a vast increase in "settler" land. There would be no democracy but Torah, there would be no pork, or chillul shabbos, Ukrainian shikse whores or paying tribute to the UN or the goyim. There would be no peace talks, and no "painful concessions"

We would embarrass them and potentially cause a Religious revolt within Israel 'proper'. That is their greatest fear that Torah will replace their hellenism and corrupt value system. They must prevent this at all costs.; 3 July 2014 at 11:07
Velvel said...: All the old excuses trotted out about our holy land, same as the ten meraglim.

We have to live there, it's as much a mitzvas asei as putting on tefillin or hearing shofar. It's a binding mitzva on all generations (see Ramban)

The sefer Eim Habonim Semeicho answered the krummer taynos of our modern day meraglim of satmar, munkatch etc over seventy years ago. He was the Kolev and Yehoshua of his day.

Like with the meraglim, just because it's the majority opinion (10 to 2) does not mean it's correct.; 3 July 2014 at 12:06
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING IN OUR WORLD AND YOUR WORLD THIS HAS TO BE EXPLAINED TO ANTI RELIGIOUS,THE ANTI TORAH OF ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH WORLD.
TO US THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF BEING JEWISH IS NOT THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
BUT TORAH AND AGAIN TORAH.
IF THEY BEHAVE TOWARDS US TORAH LEARNING JEWS LIKE CHAMAS,
THE TORAH LEARNING JEWS WILL BEHAVE TO THEM LIKE CHAMAS AND BURN THE ISRAELI FLAG.
WE BECAME JEWS BY GETTING THE TORAH AND WITHOUT THE TORAH AND TORAH LEARNERS WE ARE NOT JEWS.
THIS HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD ! ! ! !; 3 July 2014 at 13:02
Boruch said...: Here is what Torah Judaism teaches about a Jew who lives outside of the Land of Israel:

A person should always live in Eretz Yisrael, even in a city that is mostly inhabited by non-Jews, and not in the exile, even in a city that is mostly inhabited by Jews. For all those that live in Eretz Yisrael are as if they have a G-d, and all those that live in the exile are as if they have no G-d.

As it says (Vayikra 25:38 ) ”[I took you out of Mitzrayim] to give you the land of Cna’an to be a G-d for you”. And anyone that lives in the exile has no G-d? Rather, it means that anyone that lives in the exile is as if he worships idols, and similarly by David it says (Shmuel I 26:19)” for they have driven me out this day that I should not cleave unto the inheritance of G-d, saying: Go, serve other gods.”

For who told David to worship other gods? Rather, it means that anyone that lives in the
exile is as if he worships idols. Kesubos110b

Thus:

1. Chazal state that we must live in Israel even if it means living in a city with a non-Jewish majority. We must not live in the exile, even if we live in a city in the exile that has a Jewish majority.

2. Those who live in Israel are like Jews who have a G-d. Those who live in the exile are like Jews who have no G-d. Which Chazal explain as meaning: Jews who live outside of Israel are like idol-worshippers.

Furthermore, the Ramban quotes Sifri in teaching us that "living in Eretz Yisrael is comparable to all the other mitzvot (Torah commandments) combined".

How much more so is this true when we have a modern Jewish state with Jewish sovereignty.; 3 July 2014 at 14:25
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: I HAVE NOT GOT THE PLACE TO EXPLAIN YOU ALL THESE CHAZAL.
I HAVE NOT EVEN GOT THE PLACE TO WRITE YOU DOWN ALL THE SEFORIM WHICH EXPLAIN THIS.
BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT A JEW WHO LIVES IN ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE TO LEARN AND KEEP THE TORAH ? ? ?
WE HAVE SURVIVED TO BE A NATION THROUGH TORAH .
THE TORAH CAME FIRST .
THE TORAH WAS NOT EVEN GIVEN IN ERETZ YISROEL.
MOSES DID NOT EVEN ENTER THE LAND.
EDUCATION ,EDUCATION ,EDUCATION..; 3 July 2014 at 14:44
Boruch said...: Mr Lock, It is a mitzvah, a Divine decree, that we must live in Eretz Yisrael under G-d's dominion, sanctifying His name, in order to create a holy state and society which clings to mitzvos completely and properly, uninfluenced by the alien, false culture of the nations.
At the same time, it is an unforgivable, loathsome sin to refuse to live in Eretz Yisrael, and to prefer the depravity of the exile and foreign rule.

It is a chilul Hashem, and Israel are, thus, exposed to the influence of the nations and their abominations. G-d, therefore, was angry at our ancestors in the desert when they refused to go up to Eretz Yisrael.

Fear of the nations is just one dismal reason the Jewish People treat the Desirable Land with contempt (longing for the good life is another). Precisely because of this delusion that the exile is safe but Eretz Yisrael is dangerous, G-d became angry and decreed death in the desert for the generation that left Egypt.

Those who feared that they and their children would die in Eretz Yisrael died precisely in the desert, whereas their children entered the Land and lived.

This teaches that the only security for the Jewish People is in Eretz Yisrael, whereas the exile is their burial place. G-d, Who knows His people's mind, knew, as well, that Israel would always prefer the non-Jewish life of the exile, whose abominable depravity is so sweet to the sinner among us.Thus, G-d decreed that Israel would never find permanent rest (“manoach”) in the exile, and whoever says that they really can find it is an “ignoramus”.

Not in vain did our sages (Mechilta, Bo, 1) compare the exile to a cemetery, for if Israel refuse to dwell in Eretz Yisrael, if they spurn it for the depravity of the exile, they have no future, but suffering, tragedy and annihilation.

It is absolutely impossible to sever the connection between the Jewish People and the Jewish land. A Jew cannot say: I am a complete Jew, I love my people, and I cling to the Torah - but I do it in Brooklyn, London, or Miami Beach. There is no such thing. Part and parcel to the Jewish identity is his belonging to his land. A Jew who is cut off from his land is blemished, nomatter how "frum" he may be.; 3 July 2014 at 15:14
Velvel said...: Mr Lock, everyone is bringing sources, except you.

Education indeed.; 3 July 2014 at 15:58
Sholem said...: No one refutes the Torah greatness of the Ramban. He established that the mitzvah of living in the Land of Israel is commandment of the Torah.

An Orthodox Jew who doesn’t live in the Land of Israel is like an Orthodox Jew who doesn’t put on tefillin, or an Orthodox Jew who doesn’t keep Shabbos, or like a Frum Jew who doesn’t keep kosher or study Torah.

LIVING IN ERETZ YISRAEL is a mitzvah. Not only that, but it carries equal weight to all the other mitzvos combined. In fact, it supersedes them in importance, because all of them are dependent upon it, since we are commanded to perform all the commandments there, in the Land of Israel.

The Torah says, “When the L-rd your God cuts off the nations whom you are approaching to inherit, you shall expel them and live in their land” (Deut. 12:29). This verse explicitly states the two mitzvos tied to Eretz Yisrael. The first is expelling the non-Jews.

The Hebrew corresponding to, “whom you are approaching to inherit,” is rendered by Onkelos as, “Whom you are approaching to banish.” The second is “You shall live in their land.” It is a mitzvoh to live in their land, in Eretz Yisrael.

Regarding this posuk our Chachomim said (Sifri, Re’ei, 80):
“You shall expel them”: R. Yehudah ben Beterah and R. Matia ben Cheresh and R. Chanina ben Achi and R. Yehoshua and R. Yonatan were leaving the Land, and they arrived at Paltum and they remembered Eretz Yisrael.

"Their eyes brimmed over and their tears poured forth, and they tore their garments and they recited this verse: “You shall inherit it [the Land] and dwell therein, and you shall carefully keep all the laws” (Deut. 11:31-32). They returned to their place and they said, “Living in Eretz Yisrael equals the combined weight of all the mitzvos in the Torah.”

Here our Chachomim state explicitly that living in Eretz Yisrael is not just a mitzvah but such a great mitzvah that it equals all the others in their combined value. Likewise, it emerges clearly from here that the mitzvoh of living in Eretz Yisrael does not depend on the existence of the Temple. After all, the anecdote above occurred after the Destruction. All the same, the scholars of the Mishnah established that living in Eretz Yisrael is a mitzvoh from the Torah, and so is the prohibition against leaving Eretz Yisrael.

Our Chachomim said further (Tosefta, Avodoh Zoroh, 5:2):
“A person should live in Eretz Yisrael, even in a city whose majority is idolaters, and not outside the Land, even in a city that is entirely Jewish. This teaches that living in Eretz Yisrael is of equal weight to all the mitzvos of the Torah combined. If someone is buried in Eretz Yisrael, it is as though he is buried under the altar.

"One should not leave Eretz Yisrael unless the cost of wheat rises to two se’ah for a sela. Rabbi Shimon said, “This refers to where one lacks the wherewithal to buy it, but if he has the wherewithal, then even if it is one se’ah for a sela, he should not leave.”; 3 July 2014 at 16:42
Yitzi said...: Good point VELVEL, we await Mr Lock's response to his ill-informed "Education" comments!!; 3 July 2014 at 16:44
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOUR LOT ARE SAYING TO ME.
ISRAEL IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN KEEPING THE TORAH. OR LEARNING TORAH ?
IT IS INTERESTING THAT G=D DID NOT GIVE THE TORAH IN ISRAEL.
AND JEWS IN THE HOLOCAUST WHO WERE KILLED AND WERE NOT ZIONISTS OR NOT FRUM THEY WERE KILLED BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWS.
IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING.
THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN GAN EDEN ? ?N
MOSES NEVER ENTERED THE LAND HE WAS LESS THAN BEN GURION WHO KEPT NO MITZVAS ? ? ?
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU HAVE LOST TRACK OF WHAT OUR CHACHOMIM MENT. G=D HELP YOU.
THERE IS NOTHING TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE LIKE TORAH.
NOT THE LAND HAS KEPT US BUT LEARNING TORAH HAS KEPT US JEWISH
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DIED FOR IN THE HOLOCAUST.; 3 July 2014 at 17:18
Anonymous said...: Gaby, keep on jumping! you are like a BOUNCY BALL! HA HA; 3 July 2014 at 18:20
Snag said...: Jews throughout the centuries were unable to live in Israel, either due to legal, economic, travel or practical difficulties. This is no different than being an Onnus for any Mitzva in the Torah. If you can't do it, you can't do it.

Jews today, apart from perhaps a tiny percentage, have none of these barriers to living in our land, and so are obligated in this mitzvas asei d'orayso. It's much more of a mitzva than say davenning maariv, let alone minhagim such as wearing a cuppel. And then again there are people who are 'makpid' on mihogei shtus like kaporros or potentially dubious practices like tashlich but won't dream of living in the fruitful, bountiful, beautiful land given to us in perpetuity by the Ribono Shel Olam Himself, despite His express command.; 3 July 2014 at 18:51
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: HAVE YOU EVER LEARNED THE SATMAR REBBES ZT.L SEFER YOEL MOSHE HE EXPLAINS LOTS OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK
YOU MUST UNDERSTAND HE WAS NO JOKE EVEN IF YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS DID NOT LIKE HIM.
BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT ALL THE GEDOLIEM SAY THAT TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING IS TOP PRIORITY BY A JEWISH PERSON NOTHING COMES BEFORE THE LEARNING OF TORAH.; 3 July 2014 at 19:06
Snag said...: This is a meaningless response.

Even if your premise is correct (and it isn't, the purpose of learning Torah is to fulfil mitzvos) more Torah is learned in Israel today than has ever been learned. In addition, people of your persuasion Gerrers, Belzers, Vizhnitzers, Sadigerers et al live, work and learn in greater numbers, in greater freedom and comfort, than they ever did in Europe. The army, police and other organs of the state of Israel allow all those rebbes and chassidim to live as perfect a life as they have ever had since chassidism was invented. And yet they are constantly guilty of being kofuy tovah, not least on the Ribono Shel Olam, for the life they are privileged to lead.; 3 July 2014 at 20:18
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: YOU SEEM TO BLOCK OUT ALL THE BAD THE ZIONIST DID YEARS AGO
BUT TO DAYS GOVERNMENT
WANT TO TEAR OUR CHILDREN FROM LIVING A TORAH LIFE
THERE ARE PLENTY OF BOOKS ON THE DEEDS THESE KOFRIM; 3 July 2014 at 20:56
Sholem said...: There is no Torah like the Torah of the Land of Israel. The Torah of the GOLUS concerns itself with developing the spiritual potential of the individual.

All of the ideals and philosophies that are dispersed and diluted in the Golus, become relevant and united in the Land of Israel. In Eretz Yisrael, the life of the individual derives its existential meaning from the nation's crowning destiny and is uplifted through the nation's spiritual elevation.

I stand dumbfounded and astonished by your Torah-only and before position. It's difficult for me to understand. How is it that you and many others, while viewing with such gravity the question of respect for the Torah, fails to see its relevance to the issue of Eretz Yisrael. Is not Eretz Yisrael part of the Torah? Is not the estrangement from Eretz Yisrael's holy value, together with a willingness - even desire! - on the part of certain members of the Israeli government, to part with the Holy Cities of Chevron and Shechem , a Torah-related problem?

Have our chachomim not informed us that the mitzvah of settling the Land of Israel is equivalent to all of the other mitzvoth put together!? Yet, despite this, I've heard that there are those, like you MR LOCK, who say that first we have to concern ourselves with Torah, for everything depends on the fulfilment of the Torah. "Because," they claim, "our success in holding on to the Land of Israel depends on our fulfilling the Torah's commandments, we must concentrate all of our efforts in strengthening the Torah, even if it be at the expense of Eretz Yisrael. If we strengthen ourselves in Torah, in the end we will merit Eretz Yisrael as well."

Therefore, those who look to justify the concentration on Torah, and the lack of involvement in the struggle for the wholeness of the Land of Israel, bring these passages as support for their position. All this I could understand were the settling of Israel itself not a Torah commandment but a mere privilege.

Yet the settling of the Land of Israel, according to the Ramban, is a positive commandment from the Torah and is binding for all generations including our own, and therefore relinquishing parts of Eretz Israel is a serious transgression.

Well known are the words of Rabbi Menachem Zamba, who said at the "Grand Gathering" of Agudas Yisrael, that just as the Jewish People have a Torah which is perfect, and if even one letter is missing then the entire Torah scroll is bereft of its holiness, so too we have a land concerning which it has been said that her holiness exists when all of the People of Israel are settled on her.

We must fight for the entirety of the Land and the entirety of Torah as one, for they are one and the same. The abandonment of the Land weakens Torah observance and the abandonment of Torah weakens our hold on the Land. Be strong and let us be strong concerning our people, our land and our Torah.; 4 July 2014 at 09:19
Boruch said...: Below is a partial list of the Torah institutions in Eretz Yisroel.

Ahavat Israel Hesder Yeshiva
Diaspora Yeshiva
Yeshivat Har Etzion
HaYeshiva HaGehova Hebrew
Heichal HaTorah Tzion
Israel Torah Research Institute
Jerusalem College of Technology
Maale Efraim Hesder Yeshiva
Machon Benayah Yeshiva
Machon Meir Hebrew
Merkaz Herzog Center
Mechina Bnei David Eli
Mechina Keshet Yehuda
Mechina Kyriat Malachi
Mechina Magen Shaul
Mechina Maayan Baruch
Mechina Nachshon Negev
Shaanan College for Education
Yeshiva Ateret Cohanim
Yeshiva Ayelet of Eilat
Yeshiva Bat Ayin
Yeshiva Beit Orot
Yeshiva Bnei Akiva
Yeshiva Chemdat Yehuda
Yeshiva Darkei HaTorah
Yeshiva Gedolah Ramat Shlomo
Yeshiva Gush EtZion
Yeshiva Hadras Yerushalaym
Yeshiva HaGolan
Yeshiva Har Hamor
Yeshiva Hesder Akko
Yeshiva Hesder Holon
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Eretz Yisrael today is the Torah capital of the world in quantity and quality. The production of new Torah works is at the rate of more than one a day. Never since the time of Melech Chizkiyahu was Torah so wide spread among the non-yeshiva population as it is now.
Israel is a Torah empire, and forever growing stronger.; 4 July 2014 at 09:35
Eliyohu said...: Gaby, The murderer of one million Jews in Hungary was because of the anti-Zionist Satmar Rebbe, who encouraged his followers and the Jews of Hungary to stay put during the German invasion into Hungary. Surprisingly, he saved himself by escaping leaving all his followers to die without their Rebbie It is time that Satmar make tshuva, say viduy with tears, in the nusach that is used on Yom Kippur, to repent for what their Rebbie did to the Jewish people. Finally all of Satmar ought put a Herem on Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum, who choses to follow in the footsteps of his evil father, and says lashon hara on the Jewish people and on Eretz Yisrael and work with the enemies of our people.

When the situation of the Jews of Transylvania started to become alarming in the early 40"s many went to consult the Rebbe and asked specifically whether it would be prudent to try emigrating to Palestine. The Rebbe advised them to stay and assured him that the situation would work out in the end. Well, a huge number were all deported. Some survived Auschwitz. And the Rebbe? He did survive. How? By escaping to British-occupied "Palestine".

I think that was an uncle of the present Rebbe.; 4 July 2014 at 10:03
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: WHAT BOURCH AND ELIYOHU WRITE IS VERY TRUE
INTERESTING THAT BOURCH DOES NOT MENTION ANY OF THE YESHIVOS LIKE MIR, PONEVITCH, GUR ,BELZ, ETC, ETC.
ALSO BRING ME GEDOLIM OF TO-DAY WHO AGREE WITH HIM ? ?
ELIYOHU :
I TOLD YOU TO READ THE BOOK OF HARAV MICHOEL BER WEISSMANDL ZT.L
SON IN LAW OF THE NITRA RAV
HOW THE FRUM AND NOT FRUM JEWS OF HUNGARY WOULD NOT MOVE
THIS WAS THE ZIONISTS AND THE ANTI ZIONISTS
WHEN HE TOLD THEM NOT TO GO INTO GHETTOS BUT RUN AND HIDE
THEY SAID HE WAS MAD; 4 July 2014 at 10:42
Boruch said...: Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl did very righteous acts and was a big tzaddik, that is not to ignore Aguda, the anti-Zionists and others which did not assist so many Jews, when they could and should have, but tragically misguided them.

We must honor and remember those who worked to save Jews, such as Rabbi Weissmandl, Hillel Kook, Rabbi Solomon Schonfeld, Yitzchok Sternbruch and others.

There are countless Rabbonim, Roshe Yeshivah and Gedolim that oppose your views Mr Lock, Baruch Hashem!; 4 July 2014 at 10:55
Boruch said...: BY THE WAY MR LOCK, Kastner was the head of the traitorous "Jewish Agency" in Hungary and who helped the German Nazis murder hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews. The anti-Zionist Satmar rebbe sold out Hungarian Jewry and even his own Satmar followers just to save himself during the Holocaust.

The Satmar rebbe was on the Kastner train of Judenrat traitors who made a deal with the German Nazis to get out of Hungary and save themselves at the expense of Hungarian Jews. Kastner convinced Hungarian Jews to obey the German Nazis and to go peacefully to the Nazi death camps where they were brutally murdered.

There probably was a lot of Satmar Jews in the Camps who committed noble acts of bravery and honor that would counter the cowardly act of one man of their sect.

These heartrending stories took place because the leaders of this cult decided that their members were better off dead than in Eretz Yisrael or otherwise making some other attempt to flee or fight back against the Nazis. By the time the Final Solution came to Hungary, the Reich and its Nazi puppet regime in Hungary were heavily outnumbered and almost defeated. This did not have to happen.

The actions of the Satmar rabbi and Kastner have been the same as the actions of every single Satmar official throughout history. They are just the worst example of it. His obligation was to save the lives of his fellow Jews and he deliberately gave them over to the Nazis so that he and his family could live. He is the worst of the worst of the worst of humanity in my opinion. Nothing will change that, so you can deal with it or not.

EDUCATION MR LOCK!!; 4 July 2014 at 11:04
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: There are countless Rabbonim, Roshe Yeshivah and Gedolim that oppose your views Mr Lock, Baruch Hashem!
PLEASE NAME THEM
ALL AGREE THAT TORAH HAS THE FIRST PLACE JEWS
TORAH COMES BEFORE THE LAND
LAND WITHOUT TORAH NO VALUE
TORAH WITHOUT LAND VALUE; 6 July 2014 at 01:47
BORUCH said...: HaRav Yisrael Ariel, Harav Mordechai Eliyahu z"tl and his son shilita, Harav Melamed, Harav Kroizer, Harav Dov Lior, Harav Levanon, Harav Levanon etc. Most of the religious Zionist community rabbonim/dayanim/roshei yeshivos etc too.; 7 July 2014 at 12:39
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: IN MY BLOG I HAVE EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN RELIGIOUS ZIONISTS TO WHOM THE LAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN TORAH
AND RELIGIOUS JEWS SUCH AS THE AGUDA AND NETURI KARTA TO WHOM THE TORAH IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE LAND; 7 July 2014 at 14:04
Boruch said...: MR LOCK, The National Religious community does not put Eretz Yisrael before Toras Israel.

Neturei Karta are an extreme, radical anti-Zionist ect, which recently hit headlines after announcing its support for Hungary's anti-Semitic Jobbik party.; 7 July 2014 at 14:33
Anonymous said...: In Jan. 2014, a Neturei Karta member was sentenced to four and a half years in an Israeli jail for volunteering to spy for Iran and "kill a Zionist".

It has regularly aligned itself with extremist Islamist groups, including Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.

In June 2012, Neturei Karta’s UK leader Aharon Cohen addressed a group at St George’s Tavern in London, according to anti-fascist organisation Searchlight. The group, led by ex-National Front member Troy Southgate, declares itself 'opposed to liberalism, democracy and egalitarianism'.

Holocaust denier Lady Michele Renouf, a champion of David Irving, was one of the 30 attendees. The “New Right” is a neo-nazi organisation, run by a former National Front activist, Troy Southgate. It is the successor organisation to his “National Revolutionary Faction”, which Southgate describes as:

"…a hardline revolutionary organisation based on an underground cell-structure similar to that used by both the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) and the IRA…[...]"

Neturei Karta has always been an important partner for far-Left and Islamist groups in the UK, who have cited the support of Neturei Karta as a fig-leaf defence against accusations of anti-Semitism.

Those familiar with Neturei Karta point out that its stance is far from surprising, since the sect's relationship with extremist groups - from the far-right to Islamists and Neo-Nazis - is nothing new.; 7 July 2014 at 16:06
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THE NATIONAL RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS PUT THE LAND OF ERETZ YISROEL BEFORE TORAH
THE AGUDA AND NETUREI KARTA HAVE ALWAYS PUT TORAH BEFORE THE LAND OF ERETZ YISROEL
THE ARGUMENT BETWEEN AGUDA AND NETUREI KARTA IS HOW TO FIGHT THE ZIONISTS SECULAR OR RELIGIOUS; 7 July 2014 at 16:10
Aaron said...: I refer to my earlier comments and your arguments and stance is totally untrue, baseless and ridiculous.

HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT FIGHTING ZIONISTS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

NK HAVE PUT THEIR AGENDA ONLY BEFORE EVERYTHING, THAT IS ANTI-TORAH and UN-JEWISH.

Jews are Zionists in the sense that the restoration of the Jewish people in its homeland is a fundamental tenet of Judaism. Most Jews support the state of Israel--the basic realization of Zionism.

Zionism developed into an organized political movement, in a period marked by growing recognition of national movements in Europe, when Jews felt the time was ready for the reassertion of Jewish National Identity.

Religious Jews face toward Jerusalem when we pray every day. We remember the service we did in the Temple and pray that Hashem will again accept our offerings.

To me it is a silly question if there is a difference between anti-zionism and anti-Judaism... To me a religious Jew must be a zionist or else his prayers are all baloney....

I am a ZIONIST and I am proud of it! Baruch Hashem!

Modern Zionism appeared on the world scene approximately 150 years ago in order to restore the Jewish people to their ancient homeland—Israel. Threatened with physical extinction whether through persecution, physical annihilation or cultural assimilation, the Zionist mission then and now continues to be the preservation of the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

The Charedi world, on the other hand, understands well that the Torah only and always comes from HaShem, and they understand that in the end HaShem will perfect us, but they are apparently unaware of (or are simply unwilling to acknowledge) what is practically required of them as members of the Jewish nation. Instead they act as if everything will miraculously transpire as it did when we left Missrayim, with no national effort made toward the redemption. Thus, they continue to wait and to do nothing; failing before they have begun.

Religious Zionism (at least in theory) is the practical implementation of the entire concept. We understand that we must practically work toward the g’ulah, that the Torah and halocho are from HaShem, and that ultimately G-d will bring our efforts to their intended perfection. Thus, the Dati-Leumi world seeks to uphold the truth of Torah while working practically toward the redemption, and praying daily for our final success and perfection to come.; 7 July 2014 at 16:45
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: WE ALSO PRAY AGAINST THE SLANDERERS LET THERE BE NO HOPE
THESE ARE THE RELIGIOUS ZIONISTS
WHO TOOK AWAY OUR TORAH LEARNING AND MADE THE RETURN OF LAND AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL OUR ONLY HOPE
ESPECIALLY AFTER THE HOLOCAUST THERE ARE PLENTY OF STORIES
OF FRUM CHILDREN HATS TZIZIS ETC,ETC, BEEN TAKEN AWAY
SAYING TO THEM WE DO NEED TORAH ANY MORE WE NEED A HOME LAND
THE FATHERS OF THE STATE WANTED TO TEAR OUT YIDDISHKEIT
BUT THANK G=D WANTED DIFFERENT.
i do not really blame them they suffered so much in the holocaust; 7 July 2014 at 17:36
Anonymous said...: Those that tore Jews away were the Shimon Peres's, Chaim Weitzman's, David Ben Gurion's, Yitzchak Rabin's etc. - not Dati Leumi.

For those who can’t find value in the Jewish state and therefore refuse to defend it (or to even thank G-d for its existence on Yom Ha’atzmaut), a religious re-EDUCATIONis in order. There has never been more Torah study in the land of Israel in all our history than there is today. More shuls, mikvehs, yeshivas and seminaries have been built by the modern state of Israel than ever before. In quantifiable numbers, the amount of people learning Torah in our modern state dwarfs anything that King David, King Shlomo, Ezra, Nechemiah, the Chashmonoim and Rabbi Akiva ever produced.

Outside of Israel, the greatest yeshivas like Volozhin and Lublin had no more than 300 students. Even the legendary institutions of Sura and Pumpedita had approximately 1,000 students.

Only the modern state of Israel with a trained military could have transformed our shattered and devastated people after the Holocaust into a new spiritual empire. Only a few decades ago Jews wore a different kind of uniform – one with stripes and a yellow star.; 8 July 2014 at 09:34
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: BY THE DATI LEUMI THE LAND WAS MORE IMPORTANT THEN TORAH LEARNING
BY US FRUMERS TORAH IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL
IF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL WILL NOT RESPECT OUR SYMBOL OF TORAH
THEN WE WILL BURN THEIR SYMBOL OF THE MAGAN DOVID; 9 July 2014 at 16:32
Boruch said...: More lies.

During the Holocaust, the Nazis chose the yellow star as an identifying badge required on the garments of all Jews. After the war, Jews turned this symbol of humiliation and death into a badge of honour.

Nowadays, the Magen Dovid is the most universally recognized symbol of the Jewish People.

Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, in Igros Moshe (Orach Chaim Vol. 3, Res. 15) tells us that the most convincing source for this sign is Dovid himself. For it is clear that Dovid did not find security in battle from any armour or shield. Only in G-d did he find himself securely enveloped, invulnerable from every side - above and below, east, west, north, south, - six directions in all. Thus the six-pointed symbol stands for Dovid’s true shield – G-d!

Rabbi Feinstein concludes that for this reason this symbol, hallowed by centuries of traditional usage, should be RESPECTED, because it is meant to symbolize the eternal Jewish faith in G-d no matter what the adversity.

For those who want to destroy Israel, the star is a symbol of apartheid, oppression and war crimes. It’s used in cartoons under the guise of criticizing Israel, when in fact what it is doing is promoting anti-Semitism. So-called humanitarians burn the Israeli flag and carry signs where the Jewish Star is equated with the Nazi symbol. We’ll never forget the yellow stars of the Holocaust – the true symbol of genocide.

For the Jewish people and those who support them, this star is a source of pride, not hate.; 10 July 2014 at 14:57
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THE MAGEN DOVID TO DAY IT REPRESENTS THE STATE OF ISRAEL
THE STATE OF ISRAEL TO DAY REPRESENTS ANTI TORAH
THEY WANT TO OPPRESS THE TORAH LEARNING JEWS OF ISRAEL
LIKE I SAID BEFORE IF THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN OUR SYMBOL
WE WILL BURN DOWN THERE SYMBOL; 10 July 2014 at 17:12
Boruch said...: Mr Lock,

I'm disgusted and sickened by your comments, typical if an ignorant person. To burn a symbol of Judaism is outrageous and for it to be condoned by you is even worse. You are an anti-Semite and sick self-hating Jew, disguised as a Chossid and frum Yid!

A symbol that meant 6 million Jews lost their lives for and millions others wear proudly around their necks not as Zionists but as proud Jews. And just brush it off. Be ashamed be very ashamed. I’m shocked and repulsed by your senseless outbursts.; 11 July 2014 at 09:41
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: WE DO NOT LIVE BY SYMBOLS OF A FLAG
WE ARE JEWS OUR SYMBOL IS TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING
YOU CAN CALL ME WHAT YOU LIKE BUT IT DOES NOT GET AWAY FROM THE TRUE FACTS OF LIFE
BY US TORAH AND AGAIN TORAH
BY YOU THE LAND AND AGAIN THE LAND AND ITS SYMBOL
6 MILLION JEWS LOST THEIR LIVES BE CAUSE THAT WAS THE ROTSON HASHEM
TO DAY THE ROTSON HASHEM IS 100 GAZA DEAD ZERO ISRAELI DEAD
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE 6 MILLION AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ZERO; 11 July 2014 at 10:43
Aaron said...: The crucial role of Eretz Yisrael in Jewish life, established according to Rashi in the very beginning of the Torah, has never been more evident than in our own era. The multiple pivotal roles that the reborn State of Israel has played in the aftermath of the Holocaust and in subsequent decades must not be taken for granted.

The absorption of distressed and threatened Jewish communities, the restoration of Jewish hopes and aspirations, the identification of marginally committed Jews with the State, the efflorescence of Jewish learning in Eretz Yisrael and the Diaspora have transformed Jewish life in our time.

Ironically, the most recent historical chapter of the overriding, even incalculable impact of the national center of Jewish life has occurred in an environment in which the international community has doggedly persisted in questioning our claim to our homeland.

At this crucial juncture in our history when Israel is being subjected to many pressures, it is vitally important that we remain vigilant in our efforts to safeguard the military and political integrity of our national homeland.

Our commitment to Eretz Yisrael transcends even the importance of a particular mitzvah or group of mitzvos It constitutes a litmus test of our dedication to the totality of our halachic-spiritual aspirations as a nation. This is the Torah's first and most enduring lesson.; 11 July 2014 at 12:05
Boruch said...: The emphasis on our rights to Eretz Yisrael right at the beginning of the Torah exemplifies the transcendent halachic and hashkafic role of the community of Klal Yisrael, as this theme embodies the very values that make kiddush ha-chodesh an ideal introduction to the Torah.

The role of Eretz Yisrael in kiddush ha-chodesh and its centrality in other pivotal institutions that affect all of Jewish life and that have little or nothing to do with the technical sanctity of the soil of the Land stems precisely from the same idealistic concept of Jewish communal life that symbolically qualify kiddush ha-chodesh for a central role!

Thus, the Torah did not abandon the motifs of halakho-centricity and of the opportunities and aspirations of halachic national life by first grounding our claim to Eretz Yisrael, but actually reinforced these principles. The Torah conveys that our identification with our homeland is a component that is critical to our identity and to our spiritual-halachic aspirations as a people.; 11 July 2014 at 12:18
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: TO AARON BORUCH
WHICH COMES FIRST ? ? ?
IN OUR YIDDISHKEIT TORAH
IN YOUR YIDDISHKEIT THE LAND
BUT WE CAN STILL LOVE EACH OTHER
IF WE WANT TO HELP KLAL YISROEL ESPECIALLY IN OUR TIME
LOVE YOUR FELLOW JEW AND PRAY FOR HIM EVEN IF HE IS NETRAI KART
HATING YOUR FELLOW JEW WILL DESTROY US.; 11 July 2014 at 12:37
Aaron said...: Velamalshinim al tehi tikvah.

1. Is it proper to lie? Surely you realize that the way you present your comments above is not accurate in context.

2. Is it proper to make assumptions and present dishonest and untruthful views and ignore comments made?

I am sure you will publish a public apology soon, and also go apologize in person.; 11 July 2014 at 14:30
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: YOU STILL DO NOT GET THE MESSAGE
THAT WE HAVE TO START TOLERATING EACH OTHER.
SATMAR CAN NOT SAY THAT YOU HAVE NO PLACE BY THE RIBONO SHEL OLAM
AND YOU CAN NOT SAY THAT SATMAR HAS NO PLACE BY THE RIBONO SHEL OLAM
IF WE WANT TZORAS TO STOP WE HAVE TO START FINDING A WAY TO RESPECTING EACH OTHER AND UNDERSTAND THAT TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING
ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BY KLAL YISROEL.; 11 July 2014 at 17:59
Boruch said...: Gaby, it's YOUR views, not the Torah's views!; 14 July 2014 at 10:35
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: READ THE RAMBAN'S LETTER HOW ONE SHOULD LOVE A FELLOW JEW EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THERE STILL CAN BE LOVE FROM A NETURI KARTE TO A ZIONIST, AND FROM A ZIONIST TO A NETURI KARTE.
HATRED OF ONE ANOTHER HAS ONLY BROUGHT US TROUBLE.
THE RAMBAN'S LETTER, IT IS TRANSLATED IN TO ENGLISH.
JUST TYPE IN IGGERES HARAMBAN.; 14 July 2014 at 13:31
boruch said...: i refer to much of my above comments that you overlook; 14 July 2014 at 17:08
BORUCH said...: According to the Ramban, shlamim comes from the word shaleim (complete), whilst according to Rashi, the word is from shalom (lit. peace), for the korban shlamim puts shalom into the world. In what way does it put shalom into the world, and why is it specifically the korban shlamim that does this? In traditional form, let’s explore a related issue before returning to our questions. Lets look into the concept and nature of shalom.

The first thing to note is that shalom does not mean a mere absence of war (hippy-style), as several sources point out. For example, the gemarra brachos (64a) notes (and we say it during Friday night and at the end of Shabbes mussaf davening) that ‘Torah scholars increase shalom in the world.’ Now, in terms of picking an example of people who sit passively and do not argue, Torah scholars is not the best choice, for much of the day of a Torah scholar is spent arguing in learning Torah with the aim of working out the meaning of different sources. Moreover, the Rambam states (hil. Chanuka 4;14) ‘shalom is [so] great, that the entire Torah was given to make shalom in the world…’ But if shalom means passivity / placidity, how does one reconcile this with the fact that there is a mitzvah to kill off the nation of Amalek [in its proper time]?

Rather, lets realign our perception of the concept of shalom. As the Maharal (nesivos olam; netiv hashalom perek alef) notes, shalom comes from the word shaleim (complete). Firstly, this means that there is no real major dispute between the Ramban and Rashi above as to the origins of the word shlamim, for shalom itself comes from the word shaleim. And secondly, it allows our initial definition of shalom to be the recognition and achievement of one’s personal and national potential. In short, the reaching of shleimus (‘completeness’). This is why talmidei chachamim increase shalom in the world, for their learning of Torah brings the world closer to its potential in bringing HaShem’s Presence into the world via the study of His Torah. And this too is why the killing of Amalek in no way contradicts the concept of shalom, for killing them off [again, in its time] means removing the embodiment of doubt and their ‘blocking’ HaShem’s Presence in the world (Rashi Shemos 17;16).; 15 July 2014 at 09:42
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: PLEASE GO AND LOOK UP SOME GEDOLIM OF THE PAST AND PRESENT
YOU CAN NOT ADAPT TORAH TO YOUR SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING
IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT TORAH, AND TORAH LEARNING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN JEWISH LIFE
THE LAND IS ALSO IMPORTANT BUT IT BECOMES SECOND TO TORAH ! !; 15 July 2014 at 10:40
Boruch said...: MR LOCK, you ARE NOW making up your OWN TORAH!!; 15 July 2014 at 14:52
Anonymous said...: You allege that the Torah is before theLand of Israel, as if to imply that the manyare overly occupied with this mitzvah and exaggerate its importance. One must be careful that the pursuit of a specific mitzvah does not result in the weakening of other mitzvos. At the same time, it is imperative to know that the significance of the Land of Israel is one of the foundations of the Torah. Anyone who learns Torah truthfully can plainly see this.; 15 July 2014 at 16:18
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: ALL THE GEDOLIM OF THE PAST AND PRESENT AGREE THAT TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YIDDISHKEIT
THE RELIGIOUS ZIONISTS ARE MAKING THEIR OWN TORAH.
THE NOT RELIGIOUS JEWS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE TORAH
THE ONLY THING THEY TAKE FROM THE TORAH IS THAT THE LAND OF ERETZ YISROEL BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE
THE LEARNING AND KEEPING THE TORAH DOES NOT MATTER TO THEM.; 15 July 2014 at 19:49
Boruch said...: Mr Lock, you SEEM NOT TO BE aware of the positions of Rav Kook, Rav Mordechai Eliyahu and many others in the Religious Zionist camp. It is easy for you to dismiss all the positions that brought above as this suits you. You are extremely partial to your narrow-minded world and your mindset is reflected by the fact you pick and choose, it is incredible how you can write something so untrue that "THE ONLY THING THEY TAKE FROM THE TORAH IS THAT THE LAND OF ERETZ YISROEL BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE"!; 16 July 2014 at 09:43
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THE FRUM GEDOLIM WERE NOT BEHIND RAV KOOK AND THE REST OF THE ZIONISTS RABBONIM
EXZACTLY FOR THE REASON THAT THEY BELIEVED THE LAND WAS BEFORE TORAH
THE FRUM JEWS UNDERSTAND THAT TORAH IS FIRST
PLEASE UNDERSTAND US WE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOU
ERETZ YISROEL IS SECOND TO TORAH; 16 July 2014 at 10:13
Anonymous said...: Mr Lock, Religious Zionism leans heavily on historical exegesis that explains a process leading up to the current return to Zion as the Hand of G-d who redeems His People once again. The significance of this redemption is completely physical. Building the Land, Jerusalem and the Temple are not an idea, but a true realization. We are the children of the children of the Maccabees and we draw our strength from them.

Chareidi Judaism seeks to dampen these waves and dim the clear reading of the course of history. And in the Zionist community of Ramban, lives one of the greatest scholars of the Second Temple period, and wishes to awaken us to a new reading of the place of Zionist thought in general and religious Zionist thought in particular, in light on the history of the kingdom of the Hasmoneans.; 16 July 2014 at 14:53
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: WE THE ORTHODOX JEWS OUR GEDOLIM OF PAST AND PRESENT
DO NOT AGREE THAT THE LAND COMES BE FORE THE LEARNING OF TORAH
WE ARE RELIGIOUS BUT NOT ZIONISTS
WE CAN NOT GIVE UP TORAH FOR THE STATE
REMEMBER BY US TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING ALWAYS COMES FIRST; 16 July 2014 at 16:38
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: OUR GEDOLIM DO NOT AGREE WITH RELIGIOUS ZIONISM WERE TORAH DOES NOT COME FIRST ERETZ YISROEL SECOND
WE WILL NEVER SEE EYE TO EYE
BUT TRY TO UNDERSTAND US
WE LIVE TO LEARN TORAH
TO LEARN TORAH FIRST
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE; 16 July 2014 at 19:32
Boruch said...: The crucial role of Eretz Yisrael in Jewish life, established according to Rashi in the very beginning of the Torah, has never been more evident than in our own era. The multiple pivotal roles that the reborn State of Israel has played in the aftermath of the Holocaust and in subsequent decades must not be taken for granted.

The absorption of distressed and threatened Jewish communities, the restoration of Jewish hopes and aspirations, the identification of marginally committed Jews with the State, the efflorescence of Jewish learning in Eretz Yisrael and the Diaspora have transformed Jewish life in our time.

Ironically, the most recent historical chapter of the overriding, even incalculable impact of the national center of Jewish life has occurred in an environment in which the international community has doggedly persisted in questioning our claim to our homeland.

At this crucial juncture in our history when Israel is being subjected to many pressures, it is vitally important that we remain vigilant in our efforts to safeguard the military and political integrity of our national homeland.

Our commitment to Eretz Yisrael transcends even the importance of a particular mitzvah or group of mitzvos It constitutes a litmus test of our dedication to the totality of our halachic-spiritual aspirations as a nation. This is the Torah's first and most enduring lesson.; 17 July 2014 at 15:11
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: PLEASE NO TORAH GEDOLIM OF TO DAY AGREE WITH YOU
OVER THE YEARS THE ZINOISTS GEDOLIM HAVE BEEN PROVED TO BE WRONG
I STATE AGAIN TORAH IS FIRST AT ALL TIMES BY JEWS; 17 July 2014 at 21:45
Anonymous said...: YOUR OPINIONS GABY ARE NOT FACT; 18 July 2014 at 09:25
Alex said...: I actually question the Neturei Karta's ancestry. I would not consider them fitting to be meshadech with real Jews, nor would I agree to their being buried in a Jewish cemetery. This is not about the medinah. It is about Yidden fulfilling the edict of “hashkem vehorgo”. The rockets are not aimed at Zionists, but at Jews. If these baalei averiros wish to kill other Yidden, then they need to be classified with other rodfim, and given the same dignity. Do not allow them to intermarry with Jews, and bury their dead in goyishe cemeteries.

What a Chillul Hashem these crazy idiots are doing they will never come out of gehenom - this is nothing surprising. They collide with JEW-HATERS - they do this all the time and whoever calls their hotline once in a while knows the depths of depravity to which they have sunk.

They long ago went from being only anti Israel outright pro Arab . They are nothing more than the THE Muslim Brotherhood and should be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to terrorist organizations which they do all the time.

These people have a strange love affair with Arabs and a fascination with their culture .It would not surprise me if some of them converted directly to Islam and there have been rumors of this very thing to have taken place .

For example on their hotline they”ll talk about any Gadol whom they disagree with ( virtually everybody )”Ym”s” and “Sr”y” while calling a meeting they had with some Arab murderer “a sheine Ma’amad ‘ (a beautiful rally) .

They gleefully celebrate the murder of innocent Israelis -including the recent slaying of JEWISH boys in JUDEA AND SAMARIA,twistedly applying Ba’avod Reshai’im Rinah’ (and they were Reshaim because they were in YESHA)-while mourning and protesting Arab deaths including terrorist’s deaths. As for Rodef that is a legitimate Sha’alah.

The Arabs use them for their worldwide propaganda campaign thus indirectly furthering the Arab cause. Since a major part of the Arab arsenal is PR , for it causes countries to side with them effectively blocking Israeli self defense these idiots might be somewhat helpful in the murder of Jews.

This is a question for a Moreh Hora’ah. Of Course without such a p’sak we just have to have them in our prayers of Velamalshinim.; 18 July 2014 at 14:27
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: I AM NOT SAYING WHAT YOU SAY IS NOT TRUE
BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE JEWISH NATION THE SAME AS THE SECULAR ZIONISTS
WHO WANT TO TEAR OUT THE TORAH TO THIS VERY DAY
PLEASE TELL ME HOW MOSHIACH WILL COME TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE ? ? ?
I DO NOT SEE IT; 18 July 2014 at 18:54
Alex said...: There is a red line in Judaism that cannot be crossed without becoming a traitor to and enemy of the Jewish people. There is a limit that, once reached and violated, marks one as a moser, an informer, and a rodef, a pursuer of Jews, who is plotting to destroy them. That line and limit is the joining together, openly and eagerly and without shame with the enemy who wishes to harm and destroy Jews. Neturei Karta has become the enemy within the Jewish camp, the moser and rodef that should be dealt with in all the ways that are necessary.; 21 July 2014 at 16:44
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: THE RED LINE OF JUDAISM HAS ALSO BEEN CROSSED BY THE SECULAR ZIONISTS
WHO DO NOT WANT THE TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING IN ISRAEL
THEY THINK JEWS WITHOUT THE TORAH ARE NOT JEWS
THAT IS THE MISTAKE OF THE NETUREI KARTA
THE SAME AS THE SECULAR JEWS ARE JEWS
THE NETUREI KARTA ARE JEWS
THEY JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOYIM WILL NEVER NEVER LOVE A JEW SO DO NOT JOIN THEM
I BEG THE NETUREI KARTA TO LISTEN TO THE RADIO AND WATCH TELEVISION
YOU WILL REALIZE THE TRUTH
BUT PLEASE DO NOT HATE YOUR FELLOW JEW; 23 July 2014 at 08:24
Alex said...: Gaby, the substantive nature of their treachery and Hillul Hashem, desecration of the Name, are what matter.

In their obscene words and actions on behalf of the PLO/Hamas Nazis, do they differ from those leftist Israelis who meet with and support the PLO/ Hamas? In their open support to the Hitlerite Arabs, are they different from Yigal Arens, or Noam Chomsky, or Lenny Brenner or the other disturbed leftist Jews who aid the destruction of Israel?

Is venom against Jews and hatred of the Jewish State somehow mitigated because the individual has a beard? Do payos and a long rekel cover the treacherous nakedness of the moser and rodef?

Does someone who joins hands, literally, with those who would massacre Jews become more legitimate because he covers his abomination with the mantle of the “Torah”?

I do not think so. I know that there is no difference except that the so-called religious Jew, in addition to his teacher, also desecrates the name of G-d and his Torah. Jewish silence, religious Jewish silence, is inexcusable. T

he time is long overdue for unified Torah condemnation of Neturei Karta and the same kind of action against them that we would deem proper for those traitors who walk around beardless. After all, many is the “religious” Jew whose beard merely covers an unshaven face, and whose piety is but a fig leaf for the same diseased soul as that which possesses all the traitors on the left.; 23 July 2014 at 14:34
Rabbi Gaby Lock said...: ALEX I FEEL YOU ARE WRITING FROM THE HEART
AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE MENTIONED.
WHEN THE MOSHEICH COMES IT WILL ALL COME OUT.; 23 July 2014 at 15:02

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