I AM GOING TO CLARIFY THE JEWS AND ERETZ YISROEL'S PROBLEM.
LIKE THERE ARE FOUR SONS IN THE HAGADA,
THERE ARE FOUR OPINIONS ON ERETZ YISROEL.
THE FRUM ZIONISTS THEY ARE NUMBER ONE.
( they belive the most important issue is the Jews having your own land before torah but they keep the torah).
THE SECOND ARE THE SECULAR ZIONISTS.
( they say we do not need the Torah we only need the land that will make us a nation, it can even be in UGANDA).
THE THIRD ARE THE AGUDA.
( the say we do not believe in the Zionist's aim that the land is the most important thing by jews, the most important thing is keeping and learning TORAH in Israel or not in Israel ).
THE FOURTH ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE NETUREI KARTA AND SATMAR.
( they say that the state is completely against the TORAH, some do live there and some will not even come to visit).
DO YOU THINK WE WILL EVER UNITE ? ? ?
IT IS NO USE LIKE LUBAVITCHERS SHOUTING WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW OR SAYING THE THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF FAITH.
IF WE DO NOT DO AN EFFORT TO LEARN TO UNITE THE MOSHIACH WILL NOT COME.
THAT IS WHY A COUPLE WHO LEARNS TO LIVE TOGETHER HAPPILY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT THE SAME IS BRINGING MOSHIACH NEARER.
THAT WAS THE LESSON I WAS TRYING TO TEACH WITH THE TELEVISION PROGRAM
" TWO JEWS ON A CRUISE ".
WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY HOW THESE FOUR SECTORS OF JEWS CAN LEARN TO TOLERATE AND LIVE TOGETHER EACH ONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER AND WHERE THEY COME FROM.
THE FACT IS THAT WE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME.
EVEN IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR WHEN ALL JEWS WERE THREATENED WE COULD NOT BE ONE.
THE GERMAN JEWS SAID HITLER DID NOT LIKE THE POLISH JEWS.
INTERESTING HITLER STARTED IN GERMANY.
IN THE WAR RABBI MICHAEL DOV WEISSMANDL, WHEN HE CAME TO TELL THE HUNGARIAN JEWS TO RUN AWAY AND NOT GO TO THE GHETTOS, HE TOLD THEM WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THE POLISH JEWS.
THEY JUST SAID THAT HE WAS MAD.
I EVEN SAW HOW RABBI SOLOMON SCHONFELD WAS TREATED AFTER THE WAR WITH
DISRESPECT.
WE HAVE TO LEARN LIKE A HUSBAND AND A WIFE TEAM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DIFFERENT, THEY SHOULD FACE THE WORLD AS ONE.
THEN THE REDEMPTION WILL COME QUICKLY IN OUR DAYS.
WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM THE WORLD FOOTBALL CUP.
THE TEAM THAT PLAYS TOGETHER WINS.
A JOURNALIST ONCE ASKED A NETUREI KARTA PERSON:
" WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND RELIGIOUS OR SECULAR ZIONISTS ? "
HE ANSWERED: " THAT WE CAN ONLY COME BACK TO ERETZ YISROEL WHEN THE MOSHIACH COMES. "
SO THE JOURNALIST ASKED THE NETUREI KARTA PERSON:
" WHEN IS THE MOSHIACH COMING ? "
THE NETUREI KARTA PERSON ANSWERED AS IS WRITTEN IN THE THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF FAITH :
" I BELIEVE WITH COMPLETE FAITH IN THE COMING OF THE MOSHIACH,
I ANTICIPATE EVERY DAY THAT HE WILL COME. "
SO THE JOURNALIST ANSWERED THE WHOLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NETUREI KARTA AND THE ZIONISTS IS A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ?
BUT YOU BOTH AGREE THAT ISRAEL IS YOURS NOT THE ARABS.
LIKE THERE ARE FOUR SONS IN THE HAGADA,
THERE ARE FOUR OPINIONS ON ERETZ YISROEL.
THE FRUM ZIONISTS THEY ARE NUMBER ONE.
( they belive the most important issue is the Jews having your own land before torah but they keep the torah).
THE SECOND ARE THE SECULAR ZIONISTS.
( they say we do not need the Torah we only need the land that will make us a nation, it can even be in UGANDA).
THE THIRD ARE THE AGUDA.
( the say we do not believe in the Zionist's aim that the land is the most important thing by jews, the most important thing is keeping and learning TORAH in Israel or not in Israel ).
THE FOURTH ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE NETUREI KARTA AND SATMAR.
( they say that the state is completely against the TORAH, some do live there and some will not even come to visit).
DO YOU THINK WE WILL EVER UNITE ? ? ?
IT IS NO USE LIKE LUBAVITCHERS SHOUTING WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW OR SAYING THE THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF FAITH.
IF WE DO NOT DO AN EFFORT TO LEARN TO UNITE THE MOSHIACH WILL NOT COME.
THAT IS WHY A COUPLE WHO LEARNS TO LIVE TOGETHER HAPPILY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT THE SAME IS BRINGING MOSHIACH NEARER.
THAT WAS THE LESSON I WAS TRYING TO TEACH WITH THE TELEVISION PROGRAM
" TWO JEWS ON A CRUISE ".
WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY HOW THESE FOUR SECTORS OF JEWS CAN LEARN TO TOLERATE AND LIVE TOGETHER EACH ONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER AND WHERE THEY COME FROM.
THE FACT IS THAT WE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME.
EVEN IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR WHEN ALL JEWS WERE THREATENED WE COULD NOT BE ONE.
THE GERMAN JEWS SAID HITLER DID NOT LIKE THE POLISH JEWS.
INTERESTING HITLER STARTED IN GERMANY.
IN THE WAR RABBI MICHAEL DOV WEISSMANDL, WHEN HE CAME TO TELL THE HUNGARIAN JEWS TO RUN AWAY AND NOT GO TO THE GHETTOS, HE TOLD THEM WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THE POLISH JEWS.
THEY JUST SAID THAT HE WAS MAD.
I EVEN SAW HOW RABBI SOLOMON SCHONFELD WAS TREATED AFTER THE WAR WITH
DISRESPECT.
WE HAVE TO LEARN LIKE A HUSBAND AND A WIFE TEAM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DIFFERENT, THEY SHOULD FACE THE WORLD AS ONE.
THEN THE REDEMPTION WILL COME QUICKLY IN OUR DAYS.
WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM THE WORLD FOOTBALL CUP.
THE TEAM THAT PLAYS TOGETHER WINS.
A JOURNALIST ONCE ASKED A NETUREI KARTA PERSON:
" WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND RELIGIOUS OR SECULAR ZIONISTS ? "
HE ANSWERED: " THAT WE CAN ONLY COME BACK TO ERETZ YISROEL WHEN THE MOSHIACH COMES. "
SO THE JOURNALIST ASKED THE NETUREI KARTA PERSON:
" WHEN IS THE MOSHIACH COMING ? "
THE NETUREI KARTA PERSON ANSWERED AS IS WRITTEN IN THE THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF FAITH :
" I BELIEVE WITH COMPLETE FAITH IN THE COMING OF THE MOSHIACH,
I ANTICIPATE EVERY DAY THAT HE WILL COME. "
SO THE JOURNALIST ANSWERED THE WHOLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NETUREI KARTA AND THE ZIONISTS IS A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ?
BUT YOU BOTH AGREE THAT ISRAEL IS YOURS NOT THE ARABS.
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There was no bigger right-wing religious Zionist than Rabbi Meir Dovid HaKohen Kahane Hy"d. He received semicha from Mirrer yeshiva NY. Two Neturei Karta were in desperate need for money and in trepidation visited Kahane at his humble Jerusalem appartment in 1989. They apologised that their ideology totally diverged from his and started to explain why they needed the money. R.Kahane told them "our ideas are in reality very close, so there's no need to waste all our time", and he wrote them out a $5000 cheque on the spot. Those same two Neturei Karta chassidim insisted on carrying R.Kahane's body to its resting place on Har Hamenuchos after he was felled at age 58 by an Arab assassin in NY in 1990: "les extremes se touchent"!
I THINK I HAVE EXPLAINED THE JEWS VERY WELL
WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME
BY SOME TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
BY SOME EVEN TORAH LEARNING JEWS IT IS MONEY
BY ME TORAH AND TORAH LEARNING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF YIDDISHKEIT
WE ARE ALL JEWS BUT AS A JEW I VALUE DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE ARE NOT THE SAME
A CAR BELONGS ON THE ROAD A BOAT BELONGS ON THE RIVERS AND THE SEA
THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IS THAT THEY ARE MODES OF TRAVEL.
There are many rabbis and lay people who define themselves as religious Zionist chareidim. Many learn Torah no less than non-Zionist chareidi, and all are as scrupulous in keeping mitzvos the most meticulous non-Zionist chareidi.
They serve in the army, many as officers with some reaching the highest ranks. These people can be found in all areas of technology, commerce, academia, the arts, etc. I humbly feel I am part of this group of religious Zionist chareidi.
The divide between the two groups of chareidi is wide and growing wider. The non-Zionist chareidi camp has brought with it the ways of the galus. After 2,000 years of our incredible suffering in exile, Hashem opened the gates to Eretz Yisrael. Life in the Holy Land as an independent nation requires that we leave behind the accumulated psychological baggage of the galus, where the non-Jew did the “dirty work.”
Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people should have a homeland in Israel.
It's impossible to say that Orthodox Jews are opposed to the concept of Zionism, because the very idea for Zionism comes from the Torah. G-d made a covenant with Avraham, promising him and his descendents the Land of Israel (Genesis 15:18).
Two basic attitudes towards the religious significance of the State of Israel are prevalent within the contemporary Orthodox community. The “charedi” (ultra-Orthodox) position contends that we can grant no religious significance to the State, and some even view the State as a negative phenomenon. The second position is the “messianic” approach, which applies to the Jewish State all the epithets with which Rav Kook zt”l described the State well before its establishment: “The foundation of God’s Throne in the world, whose entire desire is that God shall be One and His Name shall be One.”
Throughout the unfolding process of the Return to Zion, a difficult and painful problem presented itself: those who brought about the process were not Torah observant. It would have been far simpler were the return to the land to have been accompanied by a return to the Torah. Unfortunately, though, this is not what happened. The major personalities of the Zionist movement abandoned, for the most part, the religious lifestyle, and thus the return to Israel involved a rebellion against Jewish tradition and a rejection of Torah and mitzvot.
Rav Kook’s struggle with this dilemma is well-known: he consistently defended the secularists who built the country, insisting that one cannot judge them superficially, according to their actions alone. One must rather probe the general spiritual processes underlying the entire historical development, and thereby arrive at a deeper understanding of the specific spiritual phenomena occurring in those who live during this period.
Unlike Charedim, the DATI LEUMI and others will not undermine the importance or legitimacy of the State; but love for our country must not blind us from criticizing its shortcomings. We remain very, very far from the ideal Jewish State, and we must therefore do whatever we can to bring about its realization. A more just society and stronger public values are necessary prerequisites for its actualization. If we want to hasten the ultimate redemption, we must work harder to ensure moral values on both the individual and communal levels. We hope and believe that our State will develop into the ideal Jewish State, “the foundation of the Divine Throne in the world, whose entire desire is that God shall be One and His Name shall be One.”
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